Thread: 2012 Bajaj Discover 125 ST edition

This bike can not be sports tourer even in the rural areas of Africa.
Bajaj is actually spoiling the Indian Bike’s image. Even they can’t think about a new fresh design, each and every parts are copied from different bikes.
What heck the wheels are, Spider webs???

does discover share same engine of XCD and most of it's parts or rather XCD's parts fit into discover just like HP's laser printer parts fit into cannon and cannon offers full toner??

I have heard that XCD had a lot of maintenance. In this case even discover will have more maintenance, if it's using same quality parts. A bit off topic, but still connected to this thread.

If Bajaj improves quality, then it will out play all competitors. People are willing to pay more for quality say Yes! Yamaha

they never seem to offer good quality products. we are tired of waiting for them that perhaps one day bajaj will offer good quality bikes.

it happens only in

sab chalta hai.

This is just a bike dude. Even in case of health products and even in case of medicines, ads fool people.

Did you know crocin had some chemicals which are banned from use. I do not know about new crocin, but eariler it was banned in America, but widely used in India.

If you google for banned medicines used openly in India, you will find a lot. Drugs banned in developed world are sold in India.

Though technically may may be (I am not technical, so cannot authentically speak), these things keep happening.

Peace

Originally Posted by MHGTX

All bikes have 2 wheels, a fuel tank and a seat. I guess you can't use the "copy" argument too often. Pulsar borrowed looks from Suzuki GSXR series superbikes, GS150R then borrowed back from pulsar and now Discover borrows from GS150R. So what ? I actually LIKE the fact that its similar looking to GS150R. Looks really smart.




My question was NOT about the bike being 125cc. See the thing is this is a high revving engine. To realize maximum mileage you need to drive at peak-torque zone, that is 7000RPM. Whether Bajaj can pull off keeping the bike long-term reliable considering it spends most of its life at 7000RPM is my question.

And Liquid cooling is definitely not needed. It adds extra weight and is useless on a 125cc bike. Harley Davidsons and Royal Enfields don't have liquid cooling either if you know what I mean.

Tacho is the only thing this bike actually misses and needs as well (atleast in the hands of newbie drivers who cannot maintain RPM easily).

This is called a sports tourer because of the high revving engine and upright sitting posture and monoshocks. It can be stable on highway during long trips and yet be comfortable and return mileage.



4 valves ensures better burning of fuel and mileage improves. Nothing wrong with it.

Honestly, I couldn't possibly ask anything MORE from Bajaj right now on this bike (except a tacho). Its perfect for the purpose it serves. It may not be a family man's bike like Discover 150 DTSi (with oodles of torque at low RPMs and great pickups to handle pillions and traffic jams) but its a fun solo bike for those who want to enjoy biking at the same time not compromise on fuel efficiency.

Lol why someone is comparing the legendary harley davison and bullets to discover ?
They might not have a liquid cooling system but comparing them to discover saying that three bikes fall under the category of touring is not acceptable

is sport + tourist a wage combination??

either it is sporty or it is tourist (looks decent though), but primary focus in on comfort level then style.

still no signs of pulsar 200 ns?
something wrong with its engineering?y so long?something is cooking?

and this discover 125-a bike to look out for in the 100-135 segment.

Originally Posted by vaibhav

That is my point of view and is not flexible.I know motorcycles have two wheels and a seat. you need not to tell me that unnecessarily.The fact is that the name given to this 125 cc discover as a sports tourer really senseless , how can you call a 125 cc a sports tourer?

I wouldn't bother even if they called the bike "Bajaj Random Bike 342342". What's in a name ?

Bro if you revs the 125 till 7000-9000 rpms then the engine will be overhauled every year or even 6 months.

Tell that to Apache RTR, Pulsar 135, Duke or R15 owners.

Come out of the fanboyism and sense the practicality and do not blow yourself into the pathetic adds of bajaj.

Fanboyism ? Hello ? Thinking rationally does not make you a fanboy. While I have my reservations about the Discover 125 ST, I'm not pulling random facts out of nowhere. I think its name is a bit weird but its a nice bike. That's all.

If it does not need liquid cooling then why they have produced torque and power at such higher rpms???

Do you even know what you are talking about ?

This where bajaj fool people. showing the power and torque greator than other bikes of same segments.

Buddy tourer bikes have less rpms engines that produces good torque and power at low rpms.
HAve a look at karizma and CBR 250R, and RE .Bullets

Agreed. Delivering peak outputs at lower RPMs reduces strain on engine and increases engine life. It also increases volumetric efficiency (bullet produces 19BHP @ 350cc).

But that does not mean all Tourers produce power at low RPMs.

CBR250R for example delivers max torque at 7000RPM. Kawasaki Ninja 250R (this one IS a sports-tourer) produces max torque at 9750RPM.

Again I'm only using these bikes as examples, not comparing anything. (comparing quarter bikes to commuters is just not possible)

Originally Posted by Sam21

Lol why someone is comparing the legendary harley davison and bullets to discover ?
They might not have a liquid cooling system but comparing them to discover saying that three bikes fall under the category of touring is not acceptable

Do you know the difference between comparison and giving an example ?

I merely said Liquid Cooling is not 100% compulsory.

And I never said Discover 125 ST is a serious touring bike. I just said it "can be used" for touring though its not meant for that purpose. I've toured on a Suzuki Samurai which is a 100cc bike. You can tour on practically any bike if you are comfortable doing it.

Calm down bikers. The discussions are totally deviating. Why we want to fight for the name. At the end of the day we gonna enjoy only the performance and quality. So forget about the ST name discuss about the features this new bike has..and discuss about the features which are missing.

Lets continue the discussion in this way.
discuss about some class leading features like pedal disc brakes, monoshocks etc.

Bashing a certain brand or company is prohibited so post your thoughts in the gentle manner.

Originally Posted by WhiteLotus

it happens only in

sab chalta hai.

This is just a bike dude. Even in case of health products and even in case of medicines, ads fool people.

Did you know crocin had some chemicals which are banned from use. I do not know about new crocin, but eariler it was banned in America, but widely used in India.

If you google for banned medicines used openly in India, you will find a lot. Drugs banned in developed world are sold in India.

Though technically may may be (I am not technical, so cannot authentically speak), these things keep happening.

Peace

Adds are there to promote the sales of a particular product.
[[[ "sab chalta hai" par kab tak ? " bajaj=2-3 saal tak chalta hai" Honda 15 saal tak chalta hai". ]]]
Kab tak dheek[ok] chalta hai is the main thing.

Originally Posted by vaibhav

This bike can not be sports tourer even in the rural areas of Africa.
Bajaj is actually spoiling the Indian Bike’s image. Even they can’t think about a new fresh design, each and every parts are copied from different bikes.
What heck the wheels are, Spider webs???

i came across this comment on the bikeadvice blog...though i dont find ST a justified tag for this bike but well...the bike overall is more important than the name...

"What is the price of Ducatis and BMWs? Are those suitable for Indian roads? Can anyone compare those with Discover?
Discover is a very sensible sports tourer, yea, sports tourer which is highly suitable for Indian roads and conditions. That means, comfortable riding position for intercity tour, a good power-to-weight ratio to easily cruise at 60-80 kmph, good mileage and low price. Which of these is missing in this discover? This is the real SPORTS TOURER for Indians. This can be easily rationalised, if you do cost-benefit analysis. Looks like baby GS150R, which is another Indian best tourer!"

this is basically a sports commuter and this bike though it wont appeal to the mass market as a whole but i guess it aims to appeal to those may be who are young looing for their first bike or someone in their 30s or 40s may be cant afford to spend lakhs on big bikes but this is in range and can be used to take it to the office plus can be used to comfortably tour around places at moderate to high speeds(70-100kph..people who spotted this bike cruising at high speeds on test vouch for the performance..i guess it was saadistic from the forum here)

bajaj knows to extract power from their little engines and the aam janta(city ppl) want more bang for their buck...this bike is not aimed to sell in the rural market where splendors rule with bajaj selling some platinas too...

well the sports commuter tag would have been more justified than sports tourer but well i am not complaining as this is a fantastic product with no competition in the features and power it provides in its segment

who would have thought of petal disks monoshocks and 4 valve engine for a 125cc bike...

i have a doubt though...how are petal disks any different from the regular disks apart from the shape..?


and i wuld like to ask 1 question to all those who question bajaj quality..how many bajaj bikes have u ridden which had quality issues and broke down in 2-3 years? i dont see an answer as pulsars wouldnt have crossed 5 million mark if it quality issue...the discover crossed that milestone even earlier than pulsar...tell me which other bike has crossed that milestone(100+cc segment) the splendors have as they have proved themselves people will say..so why cant people accept the discos and pulsars also have proved themselves??

Originally Posted by mac.travadi

wasnt it speeding at 108kph when u saw it and was comfortable cruising and engine sound wasnt very stressed indicating it had more juice in it..now the specs show it has top speed of 105...any comments on it?

P.S is there any difference between the conventional DTSi and this being a twin spark?(might sound silly but had a doubt)
P.P.S srry for the multiple post

I can just hope Bajaj has mentioned the 'true' speed of the bike which corresponds to a little over 115-120 on the speedo considering 10% speedo indicated error present on majority of bikes here in India...
Plus, companies generally claim a lower top speed of the bike. People/Magazines have extracted better top speeds than claimed..

guys, this thread is giving a lot of technical outputs just like what does touring mean to you?

@saadistic- i presume you were on your pulsar 220.which has a over enthusiastic speedo....

so top whack of 120 is insane on a 125cc bike.

Originally Posted by boomboomboom

@saadistic- i presume you were on your pulsar 220.which has a over enthusiastic speedo....

On E72s GPS, P220s and R15 have equivalent speedo errors of approximately 10-11% and that too on speedo indicated speeds of over 150kmph...
I did 153kmph on 220 and the R15 did 150kmph

For both the bikes the actual top speed attained indicated on E72's GPS was 139-140kmph
During this bike's chase, when it was open road with no vehicles and I was following the bike, I was doing around 108kmph on my 220s speedo which corresponds to a true top speed of 98-99kmph (considering 10% error)

so top whack of 120 is insane on a 125cc bike.

Performancewise this bike has to be significantly better than the current crop of Discovers to make a mark in the market. Else everything will become 'khichdi' and all of them would be treated equally...

Originally Posted by boomboomboom

so top whack of 120 is insane on a 125cc bike.

Once i have read about LML CRD100 in Overdrive magazine(i think..... cant remember the magazine name perfectly)....

Its top speed is 97Kmph..!!! (Tested... Not claimed)

97kmph for 100cc...!!!! what do you say for it Dude...!!!

@srinivas

I went upto 95kmph on Bajaj Caliber Croma 100cc bike., off course single rider

my friend crossed 100 kmph on passion

The key is not to raise throttle fast.

You raise it very gradually. To add to it, the road should be flat and with no traffic. I tried it on Mumbai's Eastern express highway from thane to chembur. I reached top speed on 95+, plus because of a downward slop and hung upto 95 on flat road without pits.

You need a very long stretch of plain road without traffic, no signals, no pits

Discover 125ST is priced at 60.5k on road in Pune....

Available and on display at a few dealerships...

disappointed with the price.... 62k on road in mumbai..

u get yamaha ss125 @ 56k here..

have any one ridden this discover 125ST ?

Yes, Discover ST is launched! even test drove it a few days back with my friend who was also in a fix for which bike to go for. I felt its an excellent bike with great pick up from the 4 valve 125cc engine, didn't get to know the mono shock well in the short ride of smooth city roads. It has got front disk brakes, nice new instrumental console, dc electrical. I felt that the engine with a average gearbox isn't as smooth as shine's but speed 60kmph was achieved preety quickly without appreciable vibrations infact I felt the power close to a 150cc. Mileage is 60-65 kmpl. By the way it handled While ridding I felt that this bike has good cornering ability. An official review from Bike advice should clear everyones doubt.

Originally Posted by Ratan

disappointed with the price.... 62k on road in mumbai..

u get yamaha ss125 @ 56k here..

For a 62k OTR price tag Discover 125ST is a total value for money bro. Full paisa vasool.

125ST will surely set a benchmark in the 125cc segment.

I read the xBhp review and they stated that Discover 125ST has the same handling as that of Karizma R. Truly amazing product from bajaj.

does this bike have a under square engine if yes then there should be no problem in reaching at 7k rpm.

Originally Posted by Ratan

disappointed with the price.... 62k on road in mumbai..

u get yamaha ss125 @ 56k here..

SS125 OTR here is 61K.
62K OTR is good price for D125ST.

One will get monoshock, 4 valves, 13 bhp and a "Disc cover" over SS125

56K is a very old price...hardly any 125cc bike comes at that price...

honda shine with self and disc comes at 62K(excluding accessories)

yamaha SS125 was 56K two years back..i am pretty sure its almost ^)k or more now sine the servce tax has increased and with inflation and cost of production going up

honda stunner costs 64K(excluding accessories)

so the D125ST at this price with a monoshock and a 4 valve engine and features like corrugated engine fins for beter cooling and increased power...this is totally worth ur money...

buy a boring shine which is just a plain old regular commuter with nothing special or buy a feature packed discover at the same price with superb handling and equivalent FE(if not less) than shine

Edit: its a perfect square engine(bore and stroke differ buy 0.5 figure)

Originally Posted by jkultimate

SS125 OTR here is 61K.
62K OTR is good price for D125ST.

One will get monoshock, 4 valves, 13 bhp and a "Disc cover" over SS125

then what is the on road price of pulsar 135 now please do reply.

I think its a perfect sports tourer in a city,, you can tour easily inside cities but not on far out destinations on highways.
whether it has 4 valves or not th engine is not that powerful enough to compete with much better tourer bikes like bullets and karizmas. Tourers does not like high revs. they want the engine and themselves relax.

Originally Posted by MHGTX

Finally! So I need to hold on to my 1999 Suzuki Samurai for just 2 more months

if i had a suzuki samurai...id hold on to it as long as i can..
just sayin..